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» I'd like to welcome everyone else tonight to this Kershaw County Council meeting July 22. We've been called to order. We'll excuse Mr. Russell Brazel tonight, the Vice Chair. He's got an important family matter going on and our prayers go out to him. We've been called to order. First item on the agenda is invocation and then Pledge of Allegiance. I'll go ahead and lead us in both of those. Let us pray. Dear Heavenly Father, we're thankful for our many blessings. We pray for the Brazel family at this time. Please comfort them. We're thankful for all that thou has done for us. We pray for thy spirit. Please guide us in our decision-making tonight. Please bless our country. Please bless the world. Bless our state and this great county. We pray for wisdom as we make decisions tonight.
» Please help us be fair and judicious and respectful of the taxpayer and all things. Please help us find the right result and deliberate in all matters. We pray for those who are on the agenda tonight that have a role, that they might be guided and directed as they speak. We pray for safety and protection for our families and others and say this in the name of Jesus Christ our Savior. Amen. Pledge of Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all. Next item on the agenda is adoption of the agenda. I just would like to welcome back those who have been here and yonder on travels with family vacation. Welcome back Mr. Shoemake, Mr. Jones and others with travel.
» Do we have a motion on the agenda? Mr. Chairman, make a motion that we approve the agenda as presented. Mr. Tucker has the motions. Is there a second? I'll second. Mr. Kato has a second. Any discussion, Mr. Tucker? No, sir. If there's no other discussion, no other motions, we'll move to a vote. All in favor on the agenda for approval. Ms. Hanna, it's unanimous by those who are present and voting. Next item on the agenda, item 5A, proclamations honoring the life of William Gainwell, Bill Major Jr., placed on the agenda by Councilman Jones. Mr. Jones, is there a motion? Yes, I so move, Mr. Chairman, we present this proclamation tonight. Is there a second? Second. Mr. Tucker has a second. Mr. Chair, I'd like it if you would present this, please, as the chair of county council. Yes, sir.
» I'll go ahead and read the proclamation and then we'll await your commentary. Proclamation of memory and recognition of William Gainwell, Bill Major Jr. Whereas our lives are full of special moments and wonderful memories when a loved one is lost, sharing those moments and memories through a tribute that beautifully memorializes a life saved and lived provides family and friends with the opportunity to reflect and remember. And whereas, known to many as a civic icon to Kershaw County, William Gainwell, Bill Major Jr., was a member of most of Camden's civic organizations. He was a life member of the VFW, the Camden Shrine Club, the Kershaw Lodge of Ancient Freemasons, and a SC Hall of Fame bowler. And whereas, since moving to Camden as a youth in 1935, Mr.
» Major was the first Boy Scout in Kershaw County to be awarded the rank of Eagle Scout. Salutatory of his class at Camden High School in 1940, first sports reporter for the Bulldog, later named the Palmetto Leaf, staff artist for the Golden Black Yearbook of 1940, and captured the 1939 and 1940 SC State High School doubles tennis championship. And whereas, after completing high school, Mr. Major attended Wofford College and Furman University and entered the military service in 1943 as a second lieutenant in the Army Air Corps. He was one of a handful of triple-rated navigator bombardiers and a pilot in the 20th Air Force.
» With great success in his military career, after retiring from the military and returning home in 1949 with a distinguished flying cross, a bronze star, and two purple hearts, he started a 38-year career in banking and retired from banking and served 20 years as a crossing guard at Roscoe's Corner. And whereas, called into active military service during the Korean conflict, Captain Major served as Captain Major and the commanding officer of Company B, the 713th Gun Battalion of Camden's National Guard Unit. And whereas, William Gainwell Bill Major Jr. served and lived a well-honored life, leaving a legacy of memories for his family and generations to come. Now, therefore, be it known that Kershaw County Council honors the memory of William Gainwell Bill Major Jr.
» for all of the great success he shared in Kershaw County and serving our country, signed this date. Mr. Jones. Mr. Chair, thank you so much, and thank you for presenting that as well, too. I just want to say that there's not much more I can say because there's no words about it. This man is one of our local heroes. We have many of them, but he was one of our local heroes. His son has been involved in many, many things throughout our county as well. And I'm just honored here tonight to be able to put this on the floor for this family. And before we end, I'd like to ask his son to come up and say a few words after y'all finish as well, too. Any further comments? Thank you so much, Mr. Jones. You said you had some family members here, including his son? The microphone. Yes, sir. Yes, sir.
» You may not need it, but we can talk in it for the folks. Please do talk into the mic. You've got some people watching you remotely who won't be able to hear you. Hello. Okay, to all you people listening out there. Yes, sir. My name is William Rusty Major, and I'm honored to be here tonight and thrilled that the county council recognized Dad. Dad was the real deal. I thank Jimmy Jones for pushing this forward. Dad touched a lot of people, a lot of lives, and he left a lot of footprints in Kershaw County, big footprints, and I haven't come close to filling a half of one yet. But I just want to say this. I want to thank you again on behalf of my sisters, Sandra Reeves and Gloria Boone, and I accept this word on his behalf as his only son.
» And if I am remembered for anything in Camden, for half of what Dad did in his life, I'll be a pretty good man because he was a great man. Thank you very much. Yes, he was. Well said. I feel the same way about my dad. We have a proclamation here. If you want to come up, we'll take a picture. We'll present that to you. Mr. Jones, if you would step up. Often this is a foregone conclusion, but all in favor, raise your hand. Ms. Hanna, I saw you're about to slap my wrist over there. All right, hold up. All right. One, two, three, four. All right, gentlemen, that brings us to the next item on the agenda, public comments. Mr. DuBose. We have seven speakers tonight. First speaker, Henry Gustafson on Civics Education Workshop. Ms. Penry, please. Good evening. It's been a while. Welcome. Welcome.
» I'm here to spread good news. I'm Henry Gustafson, former senator for this area, and I continue to be engaged and love, where we live, and I continue to support and encourage good civil engagement, which seems to be continuing to be a challenge for so many people. I am part of a committee. I'm leading a committee that has developed a civics education workshop for Kershaw County, specifically designed for Kershaw County, and for the residents of Kershaw County. Each of you have received a letter, so I know you already know that, and you have the press release in front of you, but we are going to be, we have several people on our committee here tonight, including Sissy Griffin-Baloo and Alyssa McKim, and I, and there are three others on that committee from three different organizations.
» And elected officials actually came to us and asked us to do something. Help, you know, help, help teach the public and help get them more engaged on what's happening in Kershaw County and how to best foster civil discourse and, and education. And just knowing, um, uh, how our government works and how to best contact our, uh, officials and how to do public speaking and who does what in Kershaw County. Um, I know there were a number of times in my time at the State House where I would get many, many, many calls of things that had, that really were y'all was on you.
» And I'm sure y'all get calls that maybe you should go to a different area in Kershaw County, um, so I think it'd be really good if people really understand who does what, um, and, and understand how to build those relationships with our officials in a very effective way. Um, we're also going to be teaching about, uh, thing that we've met with the director of voter registration, Mika Reddick, and, um, they are, they have really improved some things upon our voter registration. Um, we're going to be doing a section about, um, what is their number one issue, which includes people updating their addresses. So that kind of tends to, um, you know, uh, make problematic timing. If you're going to vote and that you haven't done that, it takes time. They had to call the DMV, blah, blah, blah.
» Um, also, uh, for poll workers, we need about a hundred more poll workers in Kershaw County. So we're going to help them with that. Um, we're also going to address misconceptions and, and address what is good and what's happening. Uh, there are lots of pockets across United States where there are issues with our voting issues, um, with corruption. And I can tell you very personally with firsthand knowledge, without exception, Kershaw County is right on point. We are doing great in these areas. We follow the laws, we follow the rules. And, um, we're going to be, like I said, that's going to be part of it.
» Um, we're also going to be talking about the role of the election board, you know, who are they? What do they do? Well, they have to serve by the results, right? They're the ones who do it. Um, so all these things being said, uh, it's a two part workshop. That's how it's structured and it's going to be presented, uh, twice the community over three different dates. Um, and part one is going to be offered on its own. Part two is going to be offered on its own. And on a Saturday, you can get part one and part two. This is, uh, uh, Ms. McKim, Mrs. McKim is going to explain more about the details about how to do it and, um, how to get involved and how to, and all the registration and everything else.
» But, um, learning critically, engaging civilly, and just having better civic education locally. Um, we are just thrilled to be able to present this at no cost to the public or to you. And we hope each of you will be able to attend at least one, even you, Ms. Parler, everybody here, attend at least one of these, um, workshops. Okay. You're not required to, but certainly we would love to have you there. We're not going to ask you to do anything. Okay. Unless you want to, but that's another story for another day. Uh, I do thank you for your time, your work on Kershaw County Council. We, uh, if this goes well, we will have a part two, that's why it's called 1.0. We might have a workshop 2.0 next year. Thank you so much. Thank you, Ms. Benry. Mr. DeBose.
» Next speaker is Linda Kanitzer, uh, temporary moratorium. Ms. Kanitzer. Yes, ma'am. Pay attention. Pay attention, Sammy. I'm always paying attention to Mr. Jones. Chairman Connell. Council members. If you didn't have such a long name, it wouldn't take me so long to write it down. Go ahead. But you weren't the only one. Go ahead. This is going to be short. Kershaw County residents have spoken with overwhelming support for the proposed temporary moratorium on the large subdivisions, as have most of the county council. We look forward to the passage of this important ordinance tonight. Thank you. Thanks for coming out tonight. Mr. DeBose. Ms. Lynn Kanto, moratorium and impact fees. Ms. Kanto. My name's Lynn Kanto. I'm 1265 Sanders Creek Road. And first, I want to thank you.
» I want to thank you for riding this out. It's taken a long time to get us to get here. And people are counting on you to make the decision for this third reading of the ordinance for the moratorium, which will help prepare, help us prepare a comprehensive plan and a capital improvement plan for Kershaw County. And also, when you vote on the ordinance for the impact fees for large developments, your residents are counting on you for this. And I want you to think about what you talked about at the last meeting. When you were here, you recognized Mel Pearson's family. And you brought up all the things that Mel Pearson had done and he had gotten done. And it was kind of a miracle how much he had gotten done. And I thought about that and how he might have gone about doing that.
» And one of the things he's he was able to do was to get people to trust him. People trusted he was going to do the right thing for the city of Camden and Kershaw County. I know people trusted you. They voted for you as council members to make decisions to help Kershaw County. And this is one big decision, a really big decision that will be heard about across the state. So I want to thank you in advance for making the decision to vote on the ordinance for a temporary moratorium and voting for impact fees for Kershaw County, because this is going to help our residents and prevent them from being taxed in the future and help for improvements in Kershaw County. Thank you for your time. And I know you don't get a lot of thank yous, but I do appreciate what you do. Thank you very much.
» Thank you, Ms. Conte. Mr. DuBose. Next speaker is Elisa McKim, Civics Workshop. Ms. McKim, please. Hello. Hello, Kershaw County Council. Thank you so much for everything that you do. My name is Elisa McKim. I am a Lugoff resident. I live in Pepperidge, and I am the Lugoff Board Executive Committeeman. And I'm here on behalf of the steeplechase Republican women. And as Penny was saying, we have kind of a coalition of not just women's group, but our Kershaw County GOP. We are planning this Civics 101 workshop. And I want to make sure that we're clear, too. It is nonpartisan. It is not about Republicans, Democrats. It's for everyone. It's for the whole community, because there's a lot of citizens and even people that are engaged in politics that really don't understand who to go to.
» Like, who are you going to call when you have an issue with this thing? Or -- and I know you guys get those calls, and it's not in your wheelhouse. So they're just -- they don't know who -- how to go about engaging civilly, especially. So we have -- we'd like to reach across the aisle to the Democrats as well. And we want to make sure that this is branded as a non -- even though we're Republican women and the GOP are helping to present this, it is a nonpartisan event. So it affects everybody, all citizens, with this just a little bit. So the things that we'll be talking about are basically just the core function of the local government, best practices for communication. I know that you guys get some heat up here.
» So we -- it'd be nice if people treat you guys respectfully, because you deserve that. So anyway, we'd like to help people with that. And then, as Penry was saying about voter registration information, as a poll manager, I could say it is a mess on Election Day when people don't have their stuff in order. And it really is -- I'm glad to see that there -- that's a new addition. So the dates that we're talking about, and a lot more too, but I'll keep it short. The dates that we're planning for first -- the first one is August 11th. And I have flyers for all of you that I'll leave with you that also have a barcode on it. And the barcode is for -- it's $0. It's free.
» But if you come to the door and you haven't registered in advance so we can get a headcount, it'll be $5 at the door if you haven't registered in advance. That's just for our -- for planning purposes. So I'll leave you guys with each one of these. And then I have some to also pass out as well. But the dates are August 11th at 6:00 p.m. And that's at the American Legion. On August 25th is Part 2 at 6:30 at Proctor Hall. And then that's for the second part. And then Part 1 and 2 combined is a Saturday on September 27th. And that will be at 9:30 in the morning at Bethune Elementary. And so they've been kind enough to -- hopefully we'll have a great turnout and we hope that we can have you or all of you or some of you join us for that. So thank you so much and for all of you do.
» And thank you for your time. Thank you, Ms. McKim. Mr. Bowes. Next speaker is George Pullen, I believe. Last name's Hard to Read Ordinance. That's it. Mr. Pullen, please. George Pullen. Last -- the last county council meeting we had stood up here and spoke a little bit about the zoning ordinance and how unclear the writing was and what was really going to happen. I think a lot of you agreed on that. That's the reason why it was deferred to today. There's a little more clarity, but I think there's still a lot of wording that needs to be detail-oriented in reference to where these event centers that somebody might want to put up, whether it be a soccer field, baseball field, a wedding event center, or whatever it may be.
» I think starting going into -- we need to keep the rural areas of the county rural. I think a lot of the folks that live in the rural areas, they don't want these event centers next to their houses that have been in the family for, you know, decades. And I think that limiting these event centers to commercial areas -- I understand the whole -- I understand the thing about the bed and breakfast and all that. And I think that limiting these event centers or these venues to commercial areas only -- and if somebody has a farm that they want to have a wedding at, then that farm or the person having the wedding should have to apply for some sort of permit or exemption. And if they get caught doing it without it, then they get fined. But I think right now, Mr.
» Jones spoke about this in the last county council meeting, is it creates a lot more for a department that can't handle what they have to do now. Who's going to enforce these? People are still going to have weddings on farms. And there's nobody to enforce or regulate this. And it's going to continue to happen. Having the ordinance there helps, but I think, you know, who's going to enforce it at this point? I'm going to give you -- I'm going to give you a situation that I know personally, and I spoke about this I think the last time, is that there is a family area over in Elgin, in the county part of Elgin, that was passed down back in 1921 from the kids and then their kids.
» Well, one of the family members had sold off just under five acres to an individual who went to planning and said, "I'm going to use it for agricultural purposes." And specifically, from the planning department, they told me that he was going to use it to have donkeys and some livestock. Fine. He didn't do that. He clear-cut the property, put in a soccer field, built buildings, never got permits, never went to planning. And this is the type of thing that the ordinance needs to clarify, you know, what is going on. Now, this is back in at the end of November, beginning of December of last year. Here we are eight months later, nothing. No cease and desist. Nothing's happened. I've talked with the sheriff the last time he was here. He sent his -- because there's a bar. They're cooking food.
» They have a full commercial-type building built on this property, and it was never zoned or even got permission to be built. They're not using any septic. They're using port-of-johns and whatnot. You know, trash is now finding its way into the woods. There's hundreds of people down there. They're having organized events, and under the rule -- the RD-2, what's not allowed under 7-Eleven is spectator sports or spectator events. As far as I'm concerned, soccer games where there's, you know, hundreds of people down there with referees and a bar and food, they're down there spectating, and that should not be allowed. That property should -- that cease and desist should have been sent a long time ago. Under 73 -- or 71-394, it's also not allowed.
» So -- and then -- but there's a section in -- there's another section that contradicts this. So there's contradictions to these in the same codes. So they -- it says you can have -- you can have these type of events as long as they're not commercial. But this one here says you can't have spectator sports. As far as I'm concerned, somebody going down there, hundreds of people, you know, 67 cars parked all around these soccer fields. So the sheriff actually emailed me back about this, and he had a couple of his deputies go down. And they've notified ATF about the alcohol sale. But again, here it is eight months later, and I heard nothing back from planning about what's happened with this. And they're still holding a bench down there.
» And this is 1090A Cherokee Boulevard -- 1090A Cherokee Boulevard in Elgin section of Kershaw County. Thank you. Thank you, George. Mr. DuBose. Next speaker, I believe it's Andrea King. First name's difficult. Ms. King? Oh, okay. Bypassing that one. All right. Next speaker is Brenda, and the last name is not quite legible to me. Brandon? Yeah. Ms. Brandon, please. Yes, ma'am, if you could speak into the mic just so everybody can hear you. Thank you. I would like to just ditto what George got through saying. I live at 1028 Cherokee Boulevard, and I can attest to this. People need to be aware that we live out in rural area. Farms out there. I have a farm. Goat Daddy has his place less than a quarter of a mile from my house. And he was beside himself when all this has been going on.
» The noise, the PA systems, the whole things. If this ordinance is changed where this can go on, we will never have peace and quiet in our neighborhoods again. So I hope that you will consider all of this and at least do something for the rural areas. We do have much better deputy service out of our area now, but it used to be that we would call, and it may take an hour, because I live on the Richland-Kershaw County line. It's not any fun waiting for a law. And the deputy said when all of this was taking place, he went down in there and he said there was over 200 people in this place. The PA system had the trees swinging, and the music was unreal. And everybody was upset. I'm sure they got quite a few calls that night.
» That one particular night, it's never been that loud again, but it is still there. And like George said, this is less than five acres of land. And they have moved in there and put all of this in there. And when you look through there, there's probably not more than two port-a-potties that I can see out there in that area. And if you've got 200 people piled in there, this is what we could be looking at if this ordinance is allowed to go through, is just to get rid of the bed and breakfast. We need to consider the rural areas as well as the commercial areas. And this might be good for a commercial area to get rid of the bed and breakfast, but we need to take everybody into consideration. Our tax money goes in there as well. So I hope you will pay attention to that when you consider this.
» And think of us, because we've been there a long time. And I understand what's going on. A lot of older people are dying. The kids are selling out the land. We've got housing developments moving in all around us. And with Scout coming in, it's only going to get worse. That's another thing. So please keep us in mind when you've considered this. Thank you. Thank you, Ms. Brandon. No further speakers, Mr. Chair. No further speakers. Thank you everyone who came out tonight. That concludes public comments. Next item on the agenda, gentlemen, is item number 7A. It's a public hearing. regarding amending the ZLDR and definition of minor subdivisions. I'll go ahead and open up the public hearing. Mr.
» DuBose, do we have anyone signed up for the public hearing regarding 7A? Seeing no one signed up, or is there anyone present who wants to speak on item 7A, definition of minor subdivision? Seeing no one, we'll go ahead and close the public hearing. That takes us to item 8A on the agenda approval of the minutes. Do we have a motion? Make a motion we approve the minutes from July 8th. Mr. Cato has a motion. Is there a second? Second. Mr. Thompson has a second. Any discussion, Mr. Cato? Seeing none and seeing no further discussion, all in favor, Mr. Tucker. I will be abstaining from my absence, please. We'll note that for the record. Any further discussion? I'll be abstaining. Mr. Jones, abstaining as well. We still have a quorum present and four able to vote, so we're good.
» All in favor of approving the minutes with two abstentions. Please note those, Ms. Hanna. All in favor, raise your hand. It's unanimous for those who are present and voting and not abstaining, Ms. Hanna. All right, gentlemen, this takes us to item number 9A. This is a first reading under ordinances relating to minor subdivisions. Before we get a motion, Mr. Administrator, any background or context we need? No, Mr. Chairman. Okay, do we have a motion on 9A? I'll make the motion. Second. All right, it's on the table. Mr. Shoemake. Yes, so what this amendment does is it redefines the definition of major subdivision and minor subdivisions, so that effectively anything above five lots is considered a major subdivision.
» Currently, under our ordinances, it's 10 or more and is considered a major subdivision, and this brings that number down. And the reason for that is major subdivisions have a whole separate set of rules they have to follow. The minor subdivisions do not. It's much easier to build a minor subdivision. And if we look at the historical pattern in this county, you don't see a whole lot of minor subdivisions that are really between sort of five, six, and seven. It tends to be these two groups, these small little two, three subdivisions that are really just sort of family type land or, you know, truly small subdivisions, or these sort of eight or nine unit deals that really kind of come close to skirt in the edge. They're usually bigger developers, bigger kind of developments.
» And so this kind of keeps in, it puts the definition in keeping with what the reality of the situation is, which is this ordinance is designed to protect people who are doing very small, limited development from overburdensome regulations. So by moving this number, it allows us more flexibility. When we start, when we start doing moratoriums and other things, as we go into ZLDR and we start looking at large scale changes, it changes the definition of major subdivisions. We can more appropriately address those subdivisions that are creating problems. Thank you, Mr. Shoemake. Mr. Thomas, you have the second. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I agree with Mr. Shoemake on this.
» I think we're in a situation right now where we have a, you know, we do have the large developments, but there's a lot of these smaller ones that are coming to our county here. And if we look at it, it's a smaller strain, but it's still a strain on our infrastructure. If we continue to grow and do that, this is going to be a great thing to be implemented in Kershaw County because it's going to provide more assets and not going to put the bill on the back of the taxpayer for people coming to Kershaw County. I'm in support of this tonight. I'd be happy to have more than one as a major subdivision. I don't, but I'm happy with more than five. Mr. Chair. Mr. Jones. Thank you. Thank you so much.
» I initially brought the moratorium before county councils a few meetings ago and it was, I did it at the request of the planning commission and the planning commission, they identified the problem areas as major subdivisions. They said, Jimmy, we're not having any problem with minor subdivisions. We're having problems with major subdivisions. So of course, then there was an amendment made and it passed and we are where we are now. And I have supported up to this point to try to massage it and see if we couldn't compromise and get to some kind of agreement. But I just, I'm having problems creating more legislature, more, I don't want to say bureaucracy, but basically it is, that this really not, hasn't been identified as the problem.
» And I just feel like that major subdivisions, I wish we were sticking to that, but obviously this is where we're at. So we'll be taking a vote tonight. Thank you. Mr. Jones, thank you. Any further comment or discussion? Again, we're on first reading. Seeing no further comment or discussion, we'll move it to a vote on the shoemake motion. All in favor, raise your hand. It's shoemake, Connell, Cato and Tomlinson in favor. All opposed? Tucker and Jones opposed for the record, Ms. Hanna. Passes on first reading. That takes us to item number 9b. Any context or background we need, Mr. Administrator? No, sir. Just continuing with the efforts to add a creed solar into this MCIP or multi-county industrial park. Oh, we're on 9b. Sorry, not 9c. Oh, I'm sorry. 9b. So this one here is coming back up.
» This item came up earlier. Council asked that we go back and offer some more information to individual council members so they can be a little more indexed in and so this is this item coming back up for y'all. I have staff here to answer any questions. Thanks, Mr. Temple. I know everybody's working on it. Do we have a motion on item number 9b? I'll go ahead and make a motion for first reading only. Motion for first reading. Second. Is there a second? Mr. Tucker has a second. Mr. Shoemake, you had the first. Yeah, so I think, you know, Mr. Poulin and I believe it was Ms. Branham that spoke, I think made some really great points. And I think just from my conversations with my colleagues and listening up here when we deferred this, I think we all have some hesitancy about doing this.
» But I do think it's fair. I did want to make one point of clarification because when we had the meeting last, I guess it was two weeks ago, whenever we deferred this, we had Joey from Planning and Zoning up here and there was a lot of questions put to Joey about why this and why this was even done or written. And I personally was four weeks ago, so four weeks ago. And I want to do something you don't hear a lot from a politician, but apologize for what I think is a pretty big mistake, at least that I'll own up to. On December 10th of last year, this council actually directed Planning and Zoning to write this amendment. I pulled the minutes because I thought I remembered that, but I wasn't sure.
» So I don't want to say anything then, but I pulled the minutes and a council member made the motion. It was seconded. This council unanimously with everyone present passed it and specifically made a motion for the Planning and Zoning to write a venue code for RD1, RD2, and MRD to propose owner requirements for an event venue. So there was questions when Joey got up here about Why did this happen? Where did this come from? And, you know, Joey, I think rightly, you know, just kind of deferred because he's not here to try to get political or throwing it under the bus. But the reality is this is here because we asked for it with a unanimous vote and directed Planning and Zoning to do it. So however we vote is how we vote, gentlemen, that's fine.
» But I do personally want to apologize to Planning and Zoning and Joey for making it sound as if we were curious how this came from when the reality is, is we asked for this and we unanimously said we wanted it. So I'm going to vote for first reading for that reason so that we can examine whether this makes sense. And if it doesn't, that's fine. We can vote it down on second or third reason. I do think Mr. Poulin and Ms. Brandon made some great points that we need to consider, but that's all I have. Thank you, Mr. Shoemake. Mr. Tucker, you have a second? Yes. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. And thank you, Mr. Shoemake, for standing up and correcting the thoughts and the actions that really took place here on council. I also would say, Georgia, I've been knowing you for a while.
» I hear your plight. I understand you and Ms. Branham's concerns. I will support it tonight, but I do think this needs to be massaged as well. But I want my colleagues and the public to know, too, that without this, we're asking planning and zoning in some degree to put a square peg into a round hole when these things come up. So we've got to find a way to make it easier on planning and zoning to enforce and be able to approve when it is right to approve and deny when it's right to deny, but at the same time, be able to give people their privacy. I've lived in the rural part of Kershaw County most of my adult life, and I enjoy that for a reason, because of the quietness, the owls, the chickens, all that good stuff that happens at night or early in the morning.
» So let's continue to have conversation and let's figure out what would be best practice moving forward if this will work. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Tucker. Go ahead. Mr. Jones, he yields. Go ahead. Y'all probably want to hear from me first anyway. Well, I got to say, you know, there are laws on books called "disturbing the peace," and Ms. Kate, I know you know that, and I know our lawyers know that up here. I just, this is, this is not the answer. While the General George got up here and talked, this is not the answer to it. You know, I tell you what, uh, all of you who may have a birthday party in your front yard or get married on your front porch like I did, I'm having the government telling me I can't have a wedding, my wedding on a front porch or my front porch.
» Well, if we pass this, I wouldn't be able to have had my wedding without permission from the government on my front porch. I'm sorry, this is overreach. And who was unanimous? Did I vote for that? Uh, you were the second, and you voted for it. I was, wait a minute, wait a minute, then I was drunk. Okay? Like a sailor, right? Yeah, because I don't vote for it tonight. And I'm not ashamed that I've been caught up voting for it back then. Uh, but as I said, I don't really drink, but I must have been on something. Jesus, but, and he's great. But anyway, I'm voting against it tonight because I don't think it's right.
» I've been to parties, to some of the folks out here have had in their yard, just celebrating the birth of their child, or, or celebrating, uh, some significant event, or just wanting to get, to get together. And, uh, I'm gonna tell all of you out here, now we're gonna have to get permission. And, and yet all these questions that we have can't be answered. Um, and folks, I'm gonna ask you, I really think about this. We can't even enforce the laws we've got now. And I'm gonna tell you something, these inspectors can cut, they, they, they come in here, they write you up, then they go back to their county where they live, and you paid a bill. I didn't mean to get loud. I've been working on that. Um, that, that upsets me.
» We got more outside agencies or contracts with people coming in here, doing our work in Kershaw County, not from Kershaw County, but their, their firms or businesses from outside of Kershaw County. We have contracted with them. They're coming in here. And in some ways, to me, it feels like they go through this county like a Gestapo. And I'm gonna tell you guys something. I don't appreciate it. And that's not the work for me on county council that I want to see. I don't want to see the citizens treated like that. We've got to have regulations. We've got to have laws. But I've got one I'm going to talk about, which is pertaining to all this, that I got here. A friend of mine got in the mail with a 20 year old subdivision. He's being told he'll be fined.
» If the retention pond is a fix, well, we haven't done, we have a responsibility with retention ponds. We haven't taken care of our business. So we would hold somebody 20 years. They, they're not even, the company's dissolved. It's not even in that. They're not even doing business now. They don't exist. Folks, we just need to slow down on creating the bureaucracy. And the other night, four weeks ago, whatever it was, uh, you know, we couldn't even get our questions answered. There was confusion with staff. I'm not apologizing to anybody. Uh, I apologize to the public. Okay. Our employees get a good salary. And we got a lot of a hundred thousand dollar a year employees too. They get a good salary, they get good benefits, but some people are being laid off.
» So I think our employees have it pretty doggone good. What, who I care about is the citizens of Kershaw County. And, uh, I was told, and I've been told this many, many times. Oh, please be careful. Don't mention my name. Cause they'll come out and they'll take it out on me. Let me hear of one government official taking it out on somebody, a citizen. Call me. I promise you we'll stop that ASAP. You will not be threatened by any department or talk to disrespectful. Now, I don't think you should be, you should be talking disrespectfully to the staff either.
» But bottom line is I've had point at the point made to me, the rudeness and, uh, the ugliness that was shown to them by some of our folks who, once again, I, I think if you take a poll, how many people is, uh, going out inspecting live in our county, you find not very many live in our county. But they gonna come in here and regulate you. Okay. I'll be voting against this, even if I did second it a year ago. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Jones. Mr. Cato. Uh, yeah, I, I don't necessarily agree with everything you said, Mr. Jones. I, from what I hear from Mr. Poulin, I have, I have to say that it seems that what we have now is not working because if it was working, we wouldn't have the problem over there that we have.
» So in all, in order to solve the problem that we have, we got to change something. Now, is this whole ordinance, uh, what we need to change? I don't think so. I'm not, again, I'm not in love with everything that's in this ordinance, but I do believe that there needs to be some changes. I do believe we've set up here. Most of us have set up here and talked about property rights by owners. If, if I own a barn and enough acreage of land that I can have a wedding out there for my daughter or son, I need to be able to do that. I need to be able to do what I want to do on my property as long as it's within the bounds of the law. But this ordinance that, and, and I'm going to support this on the first reading tonight only because I don't want it to die.
» And I want to see some corrections that we can all come together and, and agree on because something needs to be done because what's going on now is not working. And that's evident by what we heard tonight. So we've got to do something to change things. And it's not creating more bureaucracy, bureaucracy. It is trying to make things better for the citizens of Kershaw County and for the people. Listen, nobody lives in any further rural area than I do. I'm nine miles to the nearest Dollar General. I bet there's nobody else in here that lives nine miles from the Dollar General. Who measures that? I do. Bermuda Triangle this afternoon. So, um, so if there's anybody in here can speak about rural, I guarantee you it's me.
» I love to whip the wheels, but, but we do need to find a fix and common ground of this and just killing it and kicking it out. It's not going to do any good. So I'm going to pass it on first reading. And I hope that somewhere down the line, we can find a solution to everything that fits the needs of everybody. Mr. Cato from the Bermuda Triangle of Kershaw County. Thank you so much. The northern part of the county. Any of the comments or discussion? Yeah, Mr. Chairman. I just wanted some clarification. Um, Mr.
» DuBose, so within this ordinance, would it prevent, so on my farm in Antioch, would it prevent me, my family, or any of my extended family or guests to have a wedding on my property? No, the ordinances intended to regulate, um, accessory uses, um, put on these properties that are rented to individuals. So for-profit entities? Correct. Okay. So it wouldn't prevent an individual, um, property owner from having a wedding or hosting a party or, or allowing somebody else to utilize their property? Correct.
» Within, um, the definition sections, again, it's, it's all focused on rentals, um, to people for private social events, such as weddings, receptions, banquets, meetings, or other gatherings, but it doesn't prohibit, um, people from using their property privately for private events that aren't, you know, it's not a rental situation with Joe Smith from down the road. Thank you so much. Um, and I, I appreciate my colleagues. I, I asked, uh, last meeting to push this back so we could get kind of more time to really dive into this, and I don't think this is a perfect ordinance. This is something that's a sticky situation.
» Um, but going back to Antioch, having, even though it is zoned, general development, so out of all the RD2 in Antioch, there's one little circle that's general development, and it has a rodeo, a community center, and everything, and that is a staple, a highlight piece, or Antioch. Um, all of my family, friends, every single person from Antioch goes there when the rodeo's there. It's a, it's a great event. I don't think that needs to be everywhere at all. Um, so this could be something we could, we may need to look at tailoring. Um, I will support this tonight on first reading, um, because we do have two additional readings going forward, and we can, we can push it back and really get into the nitty-gritty, but I appreciate all of staff's hard work, and, um, Mr.
» Joey with planning and zoning and all his hard work putting this forward. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Thomas, and Mr. Jones, any further discussion? Yeah, yeah, thank you so much. Um, well, I mean, you know, we say, okay, it's a private event, but if I'm paying a wedding planner to come out there and do my wedding, I'm paying fees. I mean, and I know we may say, oh, that's not what, listen, let me tell you, once we pass this, it'll be interpreted by the enforcement. And, uh, because there's, there's a lot of services that we rented and we paid for, you know, and, uh, to have our event. And it was a beautiful wedding, and I'm glad I did it, 27 through 28 years ago. Um, but I, I just, guys, and, and, and, and, and, and Mr.
» Kato, you're right, something needs to be done, but I just think that we, we have laws on the books right now disturbing the peace and some other things that the sheriff can go out there and they can enforce. We're creating more bureaucracy that we don't have the staff to enforce what we're, what we have on books now, but yet we're going to throw more out there. It just makes no sense to me. I'd like to see this table tonight and for us to, uh, have a workshop on it instead of rushing it through first, second, and third reading. Thank you, Mr. Jones. Any further discussion? Mr. Chair. Mr. Templer, yes. If I may, I, I think there's some blurred lines here and, and what the spirit of this is versus some of the concerns in the community and just. You're speaking of my, I can't hear you, Mr.
» There are some concerns here, um, that I think there are stemmed from some blurred lines. What the spirit of this is what we're trying to do is to allow staff to make more concise decisions. And when it comes to certain events that people want to have or facilities on their property, we have one in, in question now where somebody has purchased a, a property and they want to have an event space there. It's, it's in a rural area. Um, but now what they have to do is identify as a bed and breakfast. That, that is, that is far from what they want to do.
» Um, so now they're having to go through these hoops, uh, if they want to utilize their personal property and, and create a living quarters to just, just to, to force fit this, their desire or their desired use into what we have, which is an antiquated ordinance. The, the types of uses in, in today's hospitality driven society are markedly different. We have Airbnb's now people come, strangers come and stay in your home. We are just trying to get a few more tools in our toolbox to allow staff to make decisions where people want to and have an absolute right to use their personal property. Um, these are commercial driven event venues.
» Um, this makes me not have any concern about if I want to have some people over to my house for 4th of July, that someone's going to come over there and write me a ticket. Um, there are spaces in this county that just by default sports events are allowed. If, if someone has five acres and they want to take up a game of soccer and it's, it's an appropriate facility, nothing wrong with that. So, um, I get, there are some questions. Uh, Joey is here. If there are any deeper questions, if y'all want to move on, that's fine. Um, I, I just, if, if any dialogue is needed, I, um, thank you, Mr. Administrator. I just had a few comments in wrapping up. There's no further discussion. So I think the council has been relatively deliberate on it so far by delaying it already to ask more questions.
» Um, I think there's a lot more work to be done. I'll support it on first reading tonight. What I hear from staff and folks in the community is you need to have better enforcement mechanisms because it's not working now or there need to be greater penalties for folks who are violating a penalty that you pay attention to a penalty that you won't pay attention to is not a penalty. Um, and so I, I think there's that and it's, it's first reading. And so, you know, you've got at least another, uh, month, month and a half or more depending on what happens in the future to see where this goes, but we've got a request and plea from staff to give them better opportunities to address these kinds of concerns in the community. And then you have other properties.
» Um, some of which I think are grandfathered already, but if someone stopped operating them in that way as an event space, then that could go away and you might lose some of the great spaces that you have in Kershaw County, uh, unless, unless you have provision in the code to allow for it. So more research to be done. I think more work to be done and I look forward to digging into it and see if this is something that works. Any further discussion, comments, questions? Seeing none, uh, all in favor, raise your hand on first reading. It's Shoemake, Tucker, Connell, Cato, Tomlinson in favor. All opposed? Mr. Jones opposed? Passes on first reading. That takes us to item number 9C. Mr. Administrator, any background or context we need before we move, uh, seek a motion.
» Just, just very brief, sir. This is, um, an opportunity for us to potentially assist the town of Elgin with some of their planning and zoning responsibilities as they find themselves in a deficit for people to do that type of work. Their, uh, their, their inspector has left, so this would be a mechanism to allow us to step in and assist. Thank you, Mr. Administrator. Counsel, is there a motion? Yes, sir. I make motion that we read this in title only, uh, for inter-government agreement with the town of Elgin, please. Mr. Tucker has the motions or a second? Second. Mr. Shoemake has a second. Mr. Tucker. Uh, I, I think the administrator said it all and, um, I'm thankful that we're moving in that direction to help one of our municipalities here in our county, so thank you.
» And just to further explain, the, uh, the town of Elgin is engaging with a, an outside contractor and this is in case something, um, were to go wrong or they just don't meet their, their, uh, agreements. This is, this allows us to move forward with three readings in a public hearing to allow us to interface with them and take over. They have some projects that are underway that would, um, we don't want to see languish. Mr. Shoemake, you have the second. No, I know that the mayor reached out to Mr. Templar and I appreciate him being so responsive. Uh, no, no comments other than that. I'll just mention that, um, town of Elgin has been doing some good work over there. They did have their planner pass away. Uh, Randy, his last name escapes me outstanding guy.
» He passed away though a couple of few years ago and then they transitioned to this service and now they've just found themselves in a spot. And so I think, uh, if we consider 90 days of assisting them if needed, even if it's needed, um, that could be very helpful. Any other discussion, comments, questions? Mr. Chairman, if I may to, um, Mr. Administrator, also remind them about some possible assistance from the COG. Um, those conversations may have taken place while I was out. So, um, if there's anything you have that you may know of. I didn't realize all this because I've been kind of been on a rock the last three weeks. Um, but, um, I will contact Dennis tomorrow and make sure he reached out to the mayor. Thank you, Mr. Tucker. Mr. Jones. Thank you. Uh, Mr.
» Templar, will the inspector, our inspectors be inspecting their laws through the 90 days or hours, or will hours carry through to the town? This would be the legal mechanism for us to be able to enforce there. So just like a, in law enforcement where you have a mutual aid component. Same thing. Yes, sir. That does clear that up for me. And this is 90 days only. You know, I've never gotten any complaints on people with overburdenness, uh, when it comes to planning and zoning or it comes to inspections in the town of Elgin. So they must be doing something right. I will support this tonight. Thank you, Mr. Jones. Mr. Tucker. So, um, councilman Jones brings up a good point here. Um, is 90 days is going to be, um, enough.
» Um, you mentioned some things that could go awry, like who they choose may not be a good fit, may have problems choosing someone. Uh, there's several things. Um, is that going to be enough time or do we need to amend the days and more like 180 days, six months? I'm just speaking because that'll take them out to the new year. And that's a great question. And what we're trying to do is balance our workload with their needs. Um, I don't want to put a sword above their head, but I'm trying to create a set of bookends that we operate within. And, um, but I, I will say, uh, you know, having conversations with, uh, Mayor Emmons, she is meeting with safe bill. Um, that's a pretty solid company. We've, we have used them in the past as a stopgap for us.
» So, uh, and I've even provided her with another organization. So, but my understanding is those, there is a meeting Thursday and so we will know more. Thank you. I appreciate that. Mr. Chairman. Thank you, Mr. Tucker. Mr. Jones. Mr. Tucker, I'm looking forward to seeing how well it's going to work out with the Elgin folks, with our inspectors the next three months. And I get sick and tired of the complaints. Well, gentlemen, just for context, I think the idea is we have another two readings that gives the town ample time to figure out, uh, if there's a contractual partner they can have to do this work. And in the meantime, it gives us the flexibility to amend on second or third reading to address if there's a longer term need.
» Keep in mind, we're, we're bumping up against the comprehensive plan being completed and jumping into the ZLDR rewrite, with council taking on the workload. And so I think in conversations with staff, the 90-day mark was one that looked tolerable without hiring anybody else. Right. Correct. Okay. Thank you. Any other comments, questions? Seeing none, we'll move it to a vote. All in favor, raise your hand. Ms. Hanna, it passes unanimously for those who are present and voting. That was 9C. Um, Mr. Templer, now we're on 9D. This is the Joint Industrial and Business Park. Any, uh, background or update we need before we move to a motion? Just deja vu, just getting creed solar back into the, uh, Lee County MCIP. That's all. Okay. Thank you. Do we have a motion, gentlemen? I'll make the motion.
» Mr. Shoemake has the motion. Is there a second? Second. Mr. Tomlinson, Mr. Shoemake, any commentary? Nope. Mr. Tomlinson, any other discussion? I think we talked about it last time. All in favor of 9D on second reading? Can you just give us some clarification? Mr. Jones? Give us some clarification. Sure. The administrator just took us through, uh, that this is, uh, Creed Solar and doing the Joint Industrial Park that's required typically by state law for, uh, economic development incentives and assets. Thank you. Anything else? Okay. Seeing none. On 9D, we'll move it to a vote. All in favor, raise your hand on second reading. Ms. Hanna, it's unanimously in favor by those who are present and voting on second reading 9D. All right. 9E.
» This is a third reading related to the 1.76 acres that Kershaw County, uh, has proposed to sell and the related contract. We've talked about it in depth. Any other update we need, Mr. Templer, before we move to a motion? No, sir. Okay. Do we have a motion on third reading on 9E? Mr. Chairman, I make a motion. We approve. All right. We've got a motion. Is there a second? Second. Mr. Tucker has the second. I'd like to make an amendment. Mr. Tucker, you have a motion or amendment? Yes, sir. All right. What's your motion to amend? I'd like to make a motion to amend the purchase and sales agreement that is an exhibit to the ordinance if the proposal realigned format include the agenda in the agenda packet. Uh, Mr. DuBose can go into further if needed. Mr. DuBose. I'll second.
» We've got a second on that. Mr. DuBose, any explanation? Correct. Uh, Council discussed a desire to deed restrict this property such that, uh, American Battlefield Trust, not that they would do this, turns around, sells it to, you know, shell oil a year from now, and a gas station's at that corner. Um, the American Battlefield Trust receives grant funding for these purchases and their properties are always, um, very restricted from that standpoint because the grant funds are going to preserving these historic sites or, um, purchasing property that serves, um, an ancillary purpose to these historic sites. So, that money has strings attached. Um, the county also wants strings attached to the conveyance.
» Those are now reflected in the, um, purchase and sale agreement have been discussed with American Battlefield Trust and the restrictions will square with their, uh, grant restrictions. Okay. Thank you, Mr. DuBose. Any other comments, questions? All right. Seeing none, thank you for, uh, for working on this now that we're at third reading. I remember bringing up, you know, could this be flipped and what restrictions do we have in place in between the grant or the language now that we're looking at on third reading? I think the county's interest will be protected. All right. Seeing no further discussion, we'll move to a vote. All in favor on third reading, raise your hand. Ms. Hannett, it's unanimous, uh, passes on third reading for those who are present in voting.
» That's 9E as amended, correct. Okay. Thank you, Ms. Jim. And at this point, um, we're going to vote on it as amended. So, we have the motion to pass. All in favor on voting, uh, as amended, raise your hand. And it passes unanimously as amended. All right, gentlemen, that takes us to a number 9F on the agenda. Mr. Administrator, any updates or context we need before we seek a motion? No, sir. Just third reading and, um, thank you, Mr. Administrator. This is third reading in relation to, uh, impact fees being assessed in Kershaw County. Do we have a motion? I'll make the motion. Mr. Shoemake, we have a second. Mr. Tucker has a second. Mr. Shoemake. Um, Mr. Chairman, I have a, an amendment to make. All right.
» What's your motion? Um, I move to amend Kershaw County and capital improvements plan to allot or allocate the first target year for implementation of eligible parks and recreation projects in the fiscal year 26-27 rather than fiscal year 25-26 so that the total expenditures for all projects during fiscal year 25-26 will be zero and the total expenditures for the following projects will be allocated as follows. A total expenditure of 91,163 for Wilbur field airport expansion fiscal year 26-27. Total expenditure of 100,313 for the Bethune Copeland Park expansion in fiscal year 26-27. A total expenditure of 104,326 for the Boyd-Young Park expansion in fiscal year 26-27 and 376,704 dollars in physical year 27-28.
» A total expenditure of 122,050 dollars for the Elgin Community Park expansion fiscal year 26-27. And that is my amendment. Mr. Chairman. Got a motion to amend or a second? I'll second. Mr. Shoemake has a second. Mr. Tomlinson or Mr. Shoemake anything else? Yeah, just kind of for the motion, the legal has advised that the expenditures appropriated for the fiscal year are to be included in the county's annual budget ordinance.
» This budget was adopted prior to the impact fees and the fiscal year has already begun so it's just kind of pushing it back so that way we don't have to reopen the budget which will be a process where we have to go back for three readings and I don't think anybody in the audience or anybody up here wants to do that so this just pushes it back so we can talk about that the next year. Yeah, no need to reopen the budget or the millage and we've just gotten through it and did all the work. Mr. Shoemake anything you have to say? I would just note that all these are expenditures that come from the impact fee. These are not new, you know, these are expenditures based from the impact fee and as we discussed before the impact fee is fairly limited on what it can be used for.
» It can only be used for things that specifically tie into growth and we're not going to see a huge windfall from this particular impact fee because we're also doing it in conjunction with it appears to be a moratorium so that's why these are the projects that were selected because they had to be projects that could be done relatively inexpensively. Part of the impact fee process for those in the public is a full project has to be funded and completed so you can't just sort of put money in an account and just hold it for a while. You've got to complete these projects on a relatively tight timeframe of about 36 months.
» So that is why these projects specifically were listed and that is also why the amounts are small because we're going to shut growth down and so the only growth that's possible for at least the next moratorium period are those that are already approved and not actually pulled a permit on. Thank you Mr. Shoemake. Mr. Tucker. Ditto on what Mr. Shoemake is just saying. I wanted to make sure everyone had a clear understanding on that on how the moratorium may affect this.
» The good part about it that I really do support is that we'll be able to collect and we can actually see what that looks like before we go spending and then we end up having to pull funds from the general fund to to finish or complete a project so this will give us a good look and then by we start planning next year for the 26-27 budget moratorium will have been lifted and we should be in good shape so with those things happening I think that this is the best way to move forward with our impact fees. Thank you Mr. Tucker. Mr. Cato. I guess this just clarification purposes may be a legal question. These expenditures that are listed they can be changed or amended in a future time as long as it fits within the.
» Yeah it's correct so you have a shot clock on these fees and they're tied to specific projects and expenditures but the enabling act state legislative enabling act for impact fees requires that council through staff essentially report each year on collections allocations and appropriations of these these impact fees so there's a yearly report that's generated typically that's tied into the budget process and timed with the fiscal year budgeting process so those rates of collection can be reviewed and these projects that are funded either wholly or partially by impact fees the funding stream can be adjusted for them so that they get accomplished in time and the impact fees don't have to be refunded this amendment not only uh with the appropriations portion uh aids in that there is a little m
» ore runway on the rate of collection what that looks like and by next uh budget year the impacts of the moratorium can maybe be uh projected if that moratorium passes later tonight. Thank you Mr. Cato. any further comments discussion? Yes. Mr. Jones. As usual I've been very polite and quiet sitting over here wait just listening to everybody else um how much is the total on all these projects we're talking about? You mean the total impact fee? Yeah the total of the recreational projects that Mr.
» Thomason was talking about the hundred thousand here the two hundred thousand there what's the total amount? so you got what a hundred thousand yeah one two three about a little over four hundred thousand four hundred fifty thousand close to five hundred yeah it's about the bottom and a four yeah it's about four four twenty five or so close to five hundred thousand um okay why we're doing this so we don't have to reopen the budget because it should have been part of the budget well the this couldn't be part of the last fiscal year budget because the fees weren't enacted right so they didn't exist to appropriate the issue is the budget's now passed the fees look like they will be enacted and imposed and they can certainly be collected um and not expended but um with expenditures in this fisc
» al year the options for council would be to if the funds needed to be spent this year uh reopen the budget for supplemental appropriation and again that's a involved process um given that there's a these are finite projects um staff and legal consulted give an explanation on finance projects yeah shifting everything out of here essentially uh keeps the budget from having to be open and again provides more historic data to um uh finance and admin about rate of collection and what money is actually on hand and it gives us the opportunity to go ahead and to try to complete some projects yeah i mean these um whatever project it sounds like they kind of hold us to the wire to complete a project when the money's coming from that source which would be something great for us because government norm
» ally doesn't complete projects correct yeah um and again the state legislature when they uh put this development impact fee structure in place again did see fit that there be a lot of robust reporting and transparency by way of this annual report on collections allocations and appropriations for impact fees thank you mr tucker uh mr jones uh i stand corrected seven ninety four five fifty six seven hundred thousand yeah i'll say eight hundred thousand thank you thank you thank you you're welcome yeah the initial estimate was for next fiscal year and then the additional amount is for two fiscal years from now but without the moratorium we were we were projected to do a little over a million on impact fees so we're still being very conservative one other um point for council that i will note u
» m thus far as this ordinance has been progressing um it has had an effective date of blank 2025 inserted in the ordinance um you know it's certainly council's discretion as a policy making board to have the ordinance be effective immediately or 30 days from now or whatever y'all see fit but um i do note that there is a blank for the effective day of the ordinance um so uh would solicit that from council as to when they when council would want these um this fee structure to be in place you need a motion for that then i would make a motion to amend it and to say the effective date is immediately all right is there a second on the motion i'm a second as much but i have a question mr tucker has a second further discussion mr tucker mr templar can you guys be prepared to receive this immediately
» or do you need to i prefer it be immediately okay done all right so at this moment i have shoemake at the at this moment we're on the shoemake uh amendment um and then we'll get to the thomason amendment mr jones any further do you have your hand yes i have a question maybe just for the administrator and legal maybe so we've got recreation projects listed with this fee what projects can we do with this fee i know we don't have to do recreation there are other projects we can do and as long as we complete them and do them in a whole not leave half undone correct so these fees are current i can take that as the administrator i think he asked me um well no i asked either one of you after you speak after you speak i want his legal opinion sure um i plan to put this money into recreation and i a
» lso more importantly plan to put this money into solid waste um we are busting at the seams with garbage from growth and i think this is the most appropriate mechanism to handle that we have um so expansion is is a key word so unfortunately we can't uh replace but we have to expand elgin uh convenience center is in dire need of improvements and expansion obviously that's because we're we are growing most so i'm excited to have a funding stream to be able to handle that okay and and thank you because that had been mentioned and i appreciate you bringing that up let me ask you this and you're right our recycling centers are really getting in bad shape and they need so why are we putting so much into recreation when we've got so much that needs to be done at our recycling centers and i know yo
» u're not going to have enough to complete the recycling centers well with uh recreation we can there are more um reasonable projects that we can get to realistic projects because we we're only acquiring x amount of dollars and we have to be realistic and intentional on the projects we set out and recreation there are there's a lot of opportunities to again take this funding from growth and enhance our recreation experience so you you could add things inside of a park another amenity what about public works can this can this money these fees be used for public works it it so with public works it's got to be expansion we can't offset costs which i wish that would be we would be having probably a different conversation but we have to expand so um with again going back to the elgin convenience
» center so we would add more compactors we would add uh increase the footprint of that facility which it needs um paving because we've increased the footprint of that area and um and these these two areas allow us to use these funds that are will be taken in countywide to be able to put that money in back into the county county wise 790 000 and you tell me um how much that is going to be for the recycling centers and how much they're gonna be for the recreation well the the the items laid out in the amendment are uh that it's it's and and i want the county attorney to be prepared to answer my question about can we use that money to complete or to take care projects in um excuse me in some subdivisions so with for storm water is concerned again the the recreation components those those are uh
» items that we can quickly fund and quickly complete the uh the solid waste components are going to take more time so this is just what we have identified right now um but we clearly will have projects for solid waste that money just goes quicker with solid waste because of the costs are so so high um 790 000 sounds like a lot of money and it is to any individual but when we look at these projects and the costs we we move the needle but we just want to make the most of our enhancements and the most of this money as we can now that money slows down a little bit when it comes to these projects with solid waste because the projects are bigger and more costly so we have to be very intentional to not step into something we don't have the shoes for when it comes to the money if we have a project a
» nd we um we're too aggressive and we have that three-year time line if we fail to meet the completion date or we know we're failing to meet the completion date that's going to grenade my capital budget at the end of a year because we're going to have to cover that cost so there's a high there's a level of confidence in these recreation components um and we there's a degree a necessary degree of strategy needed in in the more expensive projects so we well you've done you've done a great job uh explaining why we're going to do the recreation projects i appreciate and i do appreciate you bringing up the solid waste and i'll give you all my reason for asking that in a second mr attorney can we use some of that money on the uh impact fee for subdivisions with their drainage so impact the impact
» fees that are imposed for um parks and rec you impose impact fees for discrete government service areas fire ems parks and rec they're all in boxes public works yeah the money that comes into the box uh for public works or parks and rec there was mentioned public works though yeah it has to stay in there for public works uh the fee category is municipal facilities and equipment there are some uh restrictions on impact fee expenditures it has to be qualifying so essentially it has to be a capital expenditure greater than a hundred thousand dollars for a piece of equipment that would hamstring the ability to use the funds for other things you can use impact fees for doing engineering studies and clearing and site prep for facility sites because that's part of the general capital improvement t
» he structure that's being put on the property can you go in and create drainage where there's been no drainage in a subdivision um if you were entering private property to spend money for the benefit no it's it's ours it's our roads our responsibility so i don't know that uh road improvements are typically handled with impact fees they're generally so expensive that um local governments turn to capital project sales tax if they have major road improvement projects um i'm speaking specifically about the pecan orchard a project like that drainage is not a qualifying expense stormwater so stormwater will not mean it no sir mr jones mr bose if i could just for context so where this started was we had to do an impact fee study statutorily it's required before you can even assess one and so the s
» tatute after you do the study comes up with a formula that says what you can actually assess for an impact fee and then within the study it says the areas that might qualify and based on the study and information we got back it says recreation will qualify and solid waste or some of the equipment that you mentioned mr dubose and as i understand it the recreation projects that were mentioned being conservative under this first attempt at an impact fee are low-hanging fruit that we can actually afford and know that we can get done in the timeline that's required so there's no clawback and we get penalized i'm sure there will be solid waste projects i use the elgin convenience center it is in dire need of improvements but some of those improvements i think will be so expensive that the expansi
» ons and what you'll need to do might take two years or you might need to put it out for procurement to figure out what the actual bid will be we already had bid related information for these projects correct yes we yes okay so these were the easiest things to fund that we're guaranteed we could do in kershaw county because we already had bid related information which we don't have for some of the solid waste or other items in the county correct correct and there's a there's the level of confidence with these projects is extremely high yeah i mean we uh no pun intended because this is recreation but we can hit the ball out of the park you believe on this one on these recommendations because we already have the bid info we're not going to be delayed on procurement and we know we can pay for t
» hem with the funds that we conservatively will believe believe will come in correct i just wanted to share the context of where we came to where we've been it's i wish sometimes that we could pick and choose the area in which we might spend these fees but it's all governed by state law and in some ways i wish the impact fee could be a little bit higher but it is it is what it is based on the formula that mr debose has explained to me in detail before and and if i may you know just to share on the the solid waste uh struggles over in the west water area it's been my vision for years to have what i call a lay down area over somewhere located over there on an appropriate sized parcel to keep yard debris out of our um our convenience centers it's just the most inefficient load to haul we're jus
» t hauling leaves and branches so to have the ability for a lay down area where citizens can go over in the on the other side of the bridge and drop off yard debris and it is ground up on that site so that those are true expansions um just tangible improvements that people can see as a result of growth but there you know we're just we're i won't say capitalizing on but we're just using that revenue stream to make these expansions so i guess i get all right if there's no further discussion i'm ready to call the question on the the two amendments that we have mr chairman just for reference and go ahead in the ordinance um section 6 um dash 261 limitations on expenditures of funds collected it has line items right there uh what can and can be used for the expenditures of impact fees so it's hig
» hlighted within the order thank you mr tomlinson all right so we've got two uh amendments in front of this first one as we layer them is the shoemake amendment on timing related to immediacy no further discussion on that we'll move it to a vote in favor of making it immediate upon passage all in favor that is shoemake tucker connell kato tomlinson in favor all opposed mr jones opposed for the record miss hannah all right that takes care of the shoemake amendment it passes that takes us to the tomlinson uh motion and amendment any further discussion on that one before i call the vote let's move it to vote on the tomlinson amendment as previously stated all in favor raise your hand that is shoemake tucker connell kato tomlinson in favor miss hannah all opposed mr jones opposed the tomlinson a
» mendment as the tomlinson amendment passes that brings us to 9e on third reading as minute excuse me 9f on third reading as amended no further discussion we'll move it to a vote as amended all in favor raise your hand that's shoemake tucker connell tomlinson kato in favor miss hannah all opposed mr jones opposed it passes on third reading miss hannah for the record all right gentlemen that takes us to number 9g this is third reading regarding the temporary moratorium mr administrator any context or background we need before we take up a potential motion no sir just third reading for anything greater than one residential lot all right gentlemen do we have a motion on 9g i'll make a motion that we approve on third reading the impact fees no we just passed impact fees that we're on 9g the temp
» orary moratorium i'll make a motion that we enact a moratorium um mr shoemake has the motion mr tomlinson has a second mr shoemake you had the first i do and i'd actually like to make an amendment um all right what's your motion to amend i had to write it down here because it's a second kind of like the uh brand so um and i'll explain it if i get a second i move that we amend the moratorium ordinance to reflect the changes that have been distributed via red line to the clerk of council for inclusion in the meeting minutes and to my fellow members of council these amendments broadly change the time of the moratorium from 180 days to 255 days reflecting a 75 day increase to enable time to accomplish certain tasks and they apply the moratorium to more than five lots which comports with our new
» definition of major subdivision and for purpose of the record i want to highlight some of the specifics not every single one because it's a long amendment but highlight some of the specifics the title would be amended to read an ordinance establishing a temporary moratorium on the acceptance and processing of applications for subdivision approvals of greater than five residential lots within the unincorporated areas of kershaw county section g will now read that there is an immediate need to review article 5 of the zldr and possible amendments to article 5 of the zldr current section h would be deleted section k would be renumbered to section j and it would be amended to read as follows that kershaw county council finds that the impact and strain of residential developments on county resour
» ces is not unique to major subdivisions that term has been previously defined and that the cumulative impact of subdivision projects of greater than five lots is similar to major subdivisions as that term has been previously defined and that a moratorium should be imposed on residential subdivisions seeking to create greater than five lots this is in keeping with kershaw county's current efforts to redefine major subdivisions to mean a subdivision project greater than five lots our current section m which would be renumbered section l will add the following language kershaw county council further finds that an additional 75 days would give appropriate time to study these issues given the scope of review and the fact that the comprehensive plan is still with the planning commission it will i
» ncrease the moratorium from 180 to 255 days title of section two would be changed so the greater than one additional lot is changed to greater than five additional lots and the 180 would be amended to 255 and the text of section three will be changed so that exceeds two lots is changed to exceeds five lots and again to recap the gravamen of these amendments is the moratorium goes from 180 days to 255 days and that more than one lot becomes more than five lots and that is my amendment second all right you've got a second for mr thomason um motion no i didn't see you have a second yeah any further comment yeah so uh i just kind of to explain a little bit so um you know the planning commission initially said just major subdivisions which was more than 10 and as i mentioned we've had very few s
» ubdivisions of less than five lots that are more than just sort of families building a little you know family area or you know a group of close friends building together and so by you know you're not adding any major development by saying you know by saying the moratorium applies to anything more than five lots so if this passes as amended anything more than five lots is subject to the moratorium we're seeing very few things of five lots and under that are just not people building on family land that sort of thing um in terms of the time the time frame is expanded because the planning commission just passed the comprehensive plan however that means that it goes to the contracting group that we've hired that contracting group has to review it it has to go back to planning for sort of you kno
» w final touches and then come to us it is highly likely we don't see the comprehensive plan in front of us until at least september so that's 60 days that we're just waiting because we can't do anything with the zldr without a comp plan so i added 75 to account for those 60 days with a slight buffer and that would give us in theory we'd get the comprehensive plan have it voted on at least first reading and then still have six months to make some strides toward what we need to do so that is the reasoning for the of specific amendments thank mr shumake any further discussion mr chairman i'll just add you know looking at the aod that we just got done a couple months back we did the six-month moratorium on that and all the the hard work that staff did um time and efforts at community meetings p
» utting the ordinance together along with other following documentation took over the six-month period this is county-wide um so that extension is is going to be critical to be able to provide more time so we can make sure that we get this right thank you mr thompson any further discussion comments questions i would like to note that while sometimes our lawyers help us i wrote all that by myself okay any other comments concerns discussion um i can support this amendment tonight and in part the reason is i i wanted to be some balance there with individual property rights um one of the deletions was an overlay district study that one we didn't have funded and two from all reports i understood it would take 12 to 18 months to conduct uh properly and so one we hadn't funded it so we'd have to op
» en up the budget and we just talked about how complicated that process is and how long it takes you'd have to go through procurement to uh to pay for it and so i view this as getting through a moratorium and addressing the growth concerns that we have but also not making it go long unnecessarily and getting people back to what they want to do with their property mr jones i have an amendment what's your motion okay my amendment is we go back to my original motion major subdivisions only no minor subdivisions because they're not the problem we changed that we leave it as it is major subdivisions was 10 or more and i said all that by myself keep it keep it simple 10 or more where we are with major subdivisions 10 or more and the moratorium also i forgot very important six months not seven or e
» ight months six months uh just for for clarity please don't tell me you didn't understand what i said i understood what you said uh just for clarity are you making a motion on a matter on which you were not on the prevailing side previously i was on the prevailing side i'm the first one who brought it up okay i just want to make sure you were not on the prevailing side the first time i just want to make sure did you realize that yeah but you weren't on the prevailing side i just wanted to make sure okay i am on the prevailing side okay is there a second for mr jones motion i did that by myself guys there is no second thank you okay so that takes us back to the um the current amendment that's on the table by mr shoemake any further discussion questions um and just to clarify mr jones we've a
» lready had first reading on a text amendment um to the ordinance to reclassify what a major subdivision is right so that would be a conflict it's already been uh first reading that has been redefined uh five or more than five homes is what a major subdivision is in kershaw county until unless it fails let's not go change the vote yeah it's moot because there's no second all right so that puts us on the shoemake amendment sure enough seeing seeing no other comments or questions uh we'll move to a vote all in favor raise your hand on the shoemake amendment that is shoemake connell cato tomlinson in favor all those opposed on the shoemake amendment that is tucker and jones opposed that brings us back to uh 9g as amended any further comments or discussion saying none we'll move it to a vote on
» third reading as amended all in favor raise your hand that is connell shoemake cato and tomlinson in favor all opposed opposed is mr tucker mr jones for the record miss hannah it passes on third reading all right thank you gentlemen that brings us to item number 10 a mr administrator uh mr chairman what you have before you is a resolution that would authorize us to enter into a lease purchase for a fire apparatus okay do we have a motion on 10 a make a motion that we approve the purchase of the fire mr mr administrator can you too much chatter let's let a few folks want to clear out let's let them clear out if they'd like so that we can conduct the business of the county can you hear mr jones you good all right i'll second mr tucker's all right mr tucker have the motion mr thompson has the
» second mr tucker uh you want to take it or you can go to the administrator let's go to the administrator mr chairman members of council you may remember a while back we had an opportunity to take advantage of some um fire apparatus that were over in sumter at an an upfitter that a company in north carolina had mr administrator let me just pause you please i know it's an issue of great interest if there's any interviews or anything being conducted please conduct them outside the chamber thank you so much mr administrator please continue thank you for being the chair um so a an entity up in north carolina had ordered x amount of uh fire apparatus but their funding fell through so we were able to take advantage of what i would kind of call a flash sale but these are brand new vehicles um we we
» re able to the two uh apparatus this concerns just one tonight but this was a great opportunity to save money and have these vehicles on the ground ahead of what is probably about a three year we're talking about a bright shiny firetruck yes that was brand new okay yes sir uh has that new firetruck smell what kind of discount are we looking at these are uh probably about a two a little over two hundred thousand dollars so they were close to a seven figure piece of equipment but um it was markedly reduced so and then with buying two um we were able to take advantage of a little bit more so great opportunity this doesn't come along often and with the uh threats of tariffs and things like that um this is just a no-brainer but this is ultimately the financing piece um that allows us to engage w
» e wouldn't have a payment for it until next year out of that budget um no prepayment penalty uh so we are more than positioned financially to make this acquisition thank you mr timmer mr tucker you still have the floor thank you and mr templar um this will be coming out of our fire budget to make this payment am i correct correct and it's budgeted for this year and moving forward next four years and i'd just like to thank uh chief glover and chief bullard to uh you know that they've obtained another fire apparatus through the cogs through a cdbg grant um that this is this is just good leadership down there and looking for opportunities to get the best bang out of our buck so i my hat's off to them they amazing job thank you danny any other comments or questions you good mr tucker just said
» thank you okay seeing none we'll move to vote all in favor on 10a miss hannah it's unanimous in favor for those who are present in voting it passes that takes us to 11a airport hangar two and three roof repairs placed on the agenda by the administrator mr temple do you need a vote or is this just for updates um this would be a a uh a bid award okay yes so a vote yes um any summary before we move to a motion this just continues our work out there at the airport this has been much needed for years uh ever since i think i got over here 10 years ago but uh continuing to repair the roofs over there so we can um seal up some stuff and just maintenance long overdue so it's a problem when it's raining on the inside yes all right no it's flooding on it any motion uh on 11a i'll make a motion that we
» approve the uh repairs of uh airport hangar two and three roofs mr tucker has the motion is there a second mr thompson has a second mr tucker uh just thank you uh mr templar and staff for uh staying after this like you said long overdue thank you mr tucker mr thompson you have the second look forward to voting yes any other uh comments or questions i'll just say that you'll notice there's just one price down here normally we have a selection of but this is a uh cooperative purchasing network that is in south carolina and it really streamlines things uh we've this is probably the fourth maybe the fourth third or fourth time we've used this particular group we uh were able to take advantage of some pricing over at the jail for a lot of those repairs um and this this system that's the uh the i
» ndividuals doing the work so they have to kind of show that they are worthy of these projects so they have good history yes and they're experienced yes thank you mr chempler if there's no other comments or questions i'll call it for a vote on 11a all in favor raise your hand it's unanimous in favor by those who are present voting on awarding this bid miss hannah it passes uh 12 council member briefings mr cato did you mind starting sure that was surprising that was a shock no very brief um i know tomorrow is employee appreciation luncheon and um unfortunately i have a conflict scheduling conflict tomorrow but i just want to i just want to say for any of the employees that's watching tonight or that's here i just want to say how much i appreciate you there's a lot of a lot of work and a lot
» of effort that goes into keep cursing to keeping kershaw county running and from all the departments i'm you know i don't i think we take for granted sometimes um exactly what our employees do and what they go through so i want to thank them we all make mistakes we all have issues it's going to continue to happen not just in kershaw county but everywhere you're going to have things that happen things that's going to leave us a black eye that's just the way it is but for the most part i think we have an outstanding group of employees and i thank them for their service and for their hard work um other than that school will be starting back before our next meeting so i wish all the teachers and all the students a safe start and i i hope that they have a great year other than that uh that's all
» i have thank you mr kato mr tomlinson thank you mr chairman um i would like to to thank um the kershaw county republican women's club and steeplechase kershaw county republicans steeplechase club um for putting together the civic uh workshops coming up i think this is a huge opportunity to be able to kind of bridge that gap uh for learning and kind of getting into the government process there there is everybody gets their information off of facebook these days and and everything is right that you read so it's a good opportunity to be able to put together and it's probably stuff that um each of one of us up here could learn so i really appreciate them taking that initiative and doing that and just wanted to mention that my thoughts and prayers are with russell braz on his family um at this t
» ime and i really think my colleagues up here and all the citizens who have provided so much input and work on these impact fees um and then the moratorium kind of looking at how we can have responsible growth here in kershaw county this is a big step forward for cross account for kershaw county we still have a lot of work to do but you're not going to get everything done in one day so thank you all for for all your hard work i think it's a good day in kershaw county here thank you mr thompson mr jones thank you mr chairman members of county council i'll be brief one reason i have trouble spending a whole lot of money in other places it's when we have an area such as the pecan orchard where existing ditches have not been cleared they have cleared out causing further destruction due to the wa
» ter having nowhere to go no pro progress has been made to establish an easement for the pipe installed on 419 blackberry the pipes fallout is causing property damage to 417 blackberry mr canty dan canny was notified about the main water line shut off being exposed in the road on crabapple road on july 7th 2025 nothing has been done to correct this if two cars need to pass at the same time one of them will be forced to drive over it residents were told by an email from our administrator on 12 11 24 that he planned on requesting funding from the emergency source it means starting this project early and i want to thank him for that and uh but we are now one year into this and nothing has been done and i think councils the the hold back um email updates aren't regularly being sent in fact they
» are only sent after residents make a stink or about it or it's on social media they tend to get an email or some kind of update this problem only exists due to kershaw county's and i'm going to say it our negligence you know these roads need to be maintained and we would not be having this if they were and we need this yes and i think we also need to spend the money properly when it comes to it i realize that this template didn't want to half do it and go out there with just half the money to do it we find money to do everything else we want to do why can't we find the money to do that it's been seven this county council that well you know if we do that it's only x amount of number of people but it's a million point two dollars that's too much money to spend for such little progress for suc
» h a small amount of people well i put money before people and i put people before money and people before politics and this is not political this is a fact i've been out there these roads are horrible you know you got septic tanks over flooding draining in other people's yards you've got uh waters that look like ponds and that are being destroyed and there's never been never been correction on the on this subdivision but it needs to be done and oh by the way too and i tried to call you earlier today mr tucker and i know you've been very busy but and because you always call me you really do promptly back and a lot of people say you don't call them you call me promptly back um let me say this tonight is seven you said the 22nd the meeting of 22nd and i thought that we had agreed that y'all we
» re going to the finance committee was going to come back with a recommendation on the 22nd and i respond to that sir yes you can if if i was funeralizing my father oh i'm sorry yes and you know what i accept that yes but could we have it was canceled could we have it in the next meeting yes i'll go over that my council breathing oh okay thank you yes and then it's so so terribly sorry about your dad and you know you know i feel that way yes sir and uh also but guys listen pecan orchard is probably the worst when it comes to draining issues and we have an obligation and if it just helps one person i mean i don't care i want to get it done i want to do it and i'd like to think that everybody if you feels the same way and i want to thank you mr tucker for saying that the finance committee you
» bring something back at the next county council meeting and um i also want to say that uh my heart thought as well as with mr tucker also with mr brazel with uh his family issues tonight as far as some sickness in his family and uh prayers for all the families involved and mr chairman thank you for the time and no interruptions and i appreciate it i'm done thank you mr jones mr shoemake yeah so um i also want to join councilman kato and uh welcoming back a lot of teachers are going to school really soon i think like the next two weeks my wife is in her classroom today getting stuff ready um and also want to thank the people that also make the school run the bus drivers cafeteria staff janitorial workers the subs it takes a pretty massive village you know one of the fans i know we don't run
» the schools but um obviously our school district is working hard and i know they're talking about impact fees and other things you know it's not uncommon to see classrooms of 25 26 very young children in them over the elementary schools so um we're growing that's a fact so congrats to all the teachers going back and you know one of the reasons we're growing is because our schools are so fantastic uh especially compared to many of our neighbors so um congrats to all the teachers um sammy sorry about your dad man so he was awesome so uh enjoyed going to uh to celebrate his life with you and uh obviously our prayers are with the councilman brazil dealing with the family situation now that could make it at the meeting um you know that's all i have i i i have some thoughts on the pecan orchard t
» hing but i want to see what we hear at finance committee um but i think there's it's a complicated issue for a lot of reasons but i don't really want to get into it now because i don't have all the data data we'll get more of that at the finance meeting uh so that's all i have thanks thank you mr shumake thank you mr shumake thank you mr chairman um once again uh want to say congratulations to all the employees of kershaw county you guys uh ladies and gentlemen are awesome um unfortunately i will not be able to make the luncheon either tomorrow but please enjoy and um keep up the good work we try to fight and make sure that you're taking care of from this dais because we believe in you and you should have those same feelings and more and believing in the job that you do for the citizens of
» kershaw county so i want to say thanks for the job well done and look for another prosperous and great year um the finance committee will be meeting on july 30th which will be next wednesday at 4 pm we do have a heavy agenda schedule um pecan archers is on the top of that along with stormwater presentation so welcome you out if you're able to come or tune in um mr jones we um we have been talking and discussing and had not been for dad passing away we would have had that meeting um but uh i i stand corrected on that no no you're fine um i think that um after this meeting on the 30th uh we should have a better sense of direction as mr uh she made it said councilman she may have said and we'll be able to um move forward i can tell you that staff has been very very helpful in identifying some
» fundings and trying different things um once again the last three weeks i've probably been running for rock so i'm a little bit out of touch i'll get back in touch and um we will have a a very productive meeting next week i can assure you um to the brazil family uh my heart and prayers goes out to them i pray that all is well and god will um do what is best uh for for all um and um make whatever happens happens and have the family to understand it i also want to say thank you to all of you up on this dais out in the audience administrator mr bose miss hannah um when you do have tragedies and passing in your family you really really get to see who loves you and who picks up the phone text or whatever it may be um it was amazing and very heartfelt when i looked up at tuesday night and i saw a
» ll these faces floating around mr jones i know you were out of town uh floating around into the church as we were doing the visitation and reflection um and i just want to say a genuine thank you from the tucker family because um when you're down in need and you're grieving and you're going through things and a lot of different emotions and thoughts are running through your head just like the brazil family may be having tonight it's good to have people you trust and love in your corner so i can't say enough of thank you so with that uh that concludes my report mr chairman thank you mr tucker well i'll just say god rest the soul of sammy tucker senior whenever we went over to that visitation i couldn't tell if we walked into a stand-up comedy moment because everybody had jokes that's his lif
» e man yeah your your dad was larger than life absolutely and leaves a clear legacy i even heard the younger generation talking about the lessons that they learned yes sir so god rest his soul and obviously we love you yes sir love you uh i happen to be with some friends last night having dinner to the extent you're interested and i said the prayer then too got voluntold to say the prayer and as i ended the prayer the uh the the lady sitting across from us one of my friends just had her head down as earnest as she could be still looking down she said lord please bless the teachers please please yeah and we all started eating and i heard her i said what do you she said i'm still praying for the teachers she is one right right um so yes please bless the teachers as they're going back to school
» and bless the students that they can have an outstanding years that's right around the corner sorry also that i can't make the employee luncheon tomorrow but uh whether you're lucky or unlucky i'm donating a smoked pork butt uh to somebody who wants to win whoever wins it at a mutually convenient time i'll smoke a button drop it off at your house um really appreciate the employees and everything they do and thanks for putting the team together danny um and our hearts and prayers also go out to the brazil family i just want to echo that as well before we conduct any other business let's pray for them let's fast for them let's try to strengthen them as we can amen that concludes my report uh mr administrator thank you mr chair members of council um sammy on on your your father i'm incredibly
» sorry and um i was never so proud to wear the name of the garbage man sammy told him he's like you better watch that's the administrators i don't care if that's the garbage man so um i've been a garbage man ever since and uh i called him guard so we went back and forth right he will be greatly missed yes and um he just he made meetings fun so um and i know he was smiling down perhaps uh right before i went on vacation i actually had the honor to work with our janitorial staff for most of the day so i was truly the garbage man which i know most of the uh employees thought i was going crazy but uh maybe so but it's a humbling experience and what that allowed me to do was see regardless of what our employees do whatever their tasking is the degree of professionalism uh that that we have throug
» hout this organization bessie worked me i had never sweat like that inside an air condition building um other than being in the military so uh she had me vacuuming cleaning toilets uh mopping um she even made me clean the vacuum cleaner filter out because it was friday so um but i what an amazing experience i was so inspired to to as the administrator to watch the leader of our janitorial staff execute her jobs with so much professionalism and pride i thought i was going to send a message but you know what i was the receiver of that message i was like you know i i got to get better um she yeah just just an amazing experience so i was honored to to do that um you know our employees are are just at the center of my heart um sam does an amazing job he he the our inspectors are tasked with a un
» ique position and where they do not wear a badge or a gun and they are expected to enforce laws or what whatever are on the books um we will always have opportunities to improve and do better and i i hear the words coming out of my mouth as i was humbled by our janitorial staff who just just taught me lessons but um the fact that we have employees coming from out of town to me is a point of pride they pass many viable opportunities along their way employers and they choose to work with us so i am incredibly thankful for the talent we have um the the improvements we've been able to make to staff the the professional acumen that we have brought to kershaw county through these employees and i think sam is just a shining example um he's very knowledgeable um i i you know one thing we don't see
» often is the emails that i get from all around the departments and from department heads and i really encourage them to share them with me but it's it's the the feel-good stories um that we get to experience so i know that they're doing good things i i just know it i see it and i see the unsolicited feedback from the public for these individuals um and the one thing i'll always say about our employees is uh you know they're citizens they live in kershaw county they are taxpayers they are veterans um they they are professionals they are mothers fathers they uh they're just they're just good people and i have yet to work with finer people than kershaw county employees um and i'm honored to be the administrator for these men and women that come to kershaw county every day to this facility and
» put in the effort they do and um i just i can't say enough about that they inspire me they make uh they make me want to do better um i the word or the number 570 rings in my head to where i look at that and i was like 570 people expecting me to be the leader of them and they put the onus on me and i i make decisions based on that number 570.
» uh you know again bessie just showed me what what integrity and just her version it's just just an amazing experience coming to work here every day so sam i appreciate you i don't know if you're still here but um keep plugging away we're doing good things and i i just will not take or miss an opportunity to brag on employees when i um i'll just end it there kershaw county employees thank you so much thank you mr administrator that's it mr vose any legal briefing other than executive session items no mr chair all right gentlemen we have uh two executive session items no votes anticipated i think they're pretty brief updates do we have a motion to enter executive session on 15 a and b make a motion to enter an executive session on 15 a and b mr chairman is there a second we've got a second ag
» ain these are all under sc code 30-4-70 a2 seeking legal advice all in favor of any executive session raise your hand ms hennett unanimous for those who are present voting with mr jones having exited we are in executive session i'll make that motion i'll suck got a second all in favor of exit executive session ms hennett unanimous by those who are present and voting mr jones absent that brings us to a motion to adjourn is there motion to adjourn mr mr tucker second mr tomlinson no discussion all in favor of adjournment raise your hand it's unanimous by those who are present voting miss hannah thanks so much we are adjourned
